CMOS switches and current switching

After my previous post where I discovered that Douglas Self has some examples where he's switching mixer inputs at the op amp virtual ground, and after talking to the guy on Reddit that made me discover the CH446Q (ARabidSquid, Architeuthis Flux on Tindie), I decided to test it in practice.

I hooked up a DG418 on a breadboard, and used an 78L05 and 79L05 to get a +/-5V supply for the DG418.

I then used a TL072 op amp with +/-12V supplies, with one op amp to buffer the input from the function generator and the second to "sum" (just invert really) the output from the switch, with a 47k negative feedback resistor. 

Version of circuit where input resistor is before the switch

I could now experiment with having the op amp input resistor BEFORE the switch (placing the switch at the virtual ground) or AFTER the switch

An initial test with a 10Vpp (+/-5V) signal showed that it worked in both configurations.

Resistor after the switch, 10Vpp

Resistor before the switch, 10Vpp

I then placed a 20Vpp signal on the version with the resistor after the switch. As expected, the switch clips the signal since it sees the full 20Vpp, but exactly how it clips is interesting. Measured at the input pin (i.e. the output of the buffer), the INPUT is clipped - the top is at 9.16V and the bottom at -5.85. I didn't expect it to be asymmetrical.

Resistor after the switch, 20Vpp. Output (and input) clips

Next up, I moved the resistor to before the input. The switch should now see no voltage swing (though a current passes through, +/-0.2mV at its peaks). This also worked as expected, the output is also 20Vpp (though inverted because of the op amp configuration).

Resistor before switch, 20Vpp passes nicely

This looked very promising. Next up was turning the switch OFF. 

Again, for the 10Vpp signal, it worked as it should for both variations.

Switch off, 10Vpp

I then tried cranking up the signal for the variation with the resistor before the switch, but then "disaster" struck: Once the input signal got higher than the DG418's supplies, it started leaking! With a 13Vpp input, it blocked everything up to 10Vpp. The remaining, however, was passed through, giving the output small "bumps"! 

Resistor before switch, switch off, 13Vpp. Anything above approx 5.1V is passed, giving funny little bumps on the output.

When showing the result to ARabidSquid, he confirmed that this was how CMOS operate, it cannot block anything higher than it's supply voltages.

After seeing this result, I remembered that I read something similar yesterday - someone posted about a similar issue, where a current input made the switch leak when it was turned on. Someone suggested using an SPDT (or two switches in a crosspoint switch) to sink the current. This could be an option, to use a separate bus to sink all input signals that are not in use. However, I think I'd rather stay within the operating limits and keep my signals at 16Vpp max.

Mix bus and channel muting

I'm designing a variation of my pre filter mixer using the CH446Q 8x16 crosspoint switch, and while doing so I started wondering if having the switch after the mix input resistor was a good thing or not. 

Douglas Self to the rescue, seems that switching directly to the virtual ground of the mixer summer is the way to go.

From "Self on Audio" by Douglas Self - Figure A seems to be the way to do things which is what I've done in my new design.

My mixer

I don't understand how to use AP

Now that the AP is working properly on the JP6 filter, I'm trying to understand how to use it.

Most places say that you should mix it with the original signal, but when I do that I get exactly what I get from my notch:

Red: Notch. Blue: 50% AP + 50% Dry

JP6 gain through cell 2

In the simulation, cell 2 outputs a +/- 2.6V signal when output from Cell 1 is 4V. This in turn arrives at the output as 3.1V and is overdriven to 4V with a nice rounded shape. 

Now, the output gain feedback resistor is 100k. Let's do some calculations.

LP and HP are tapped through 33k + 47k = 80k. That should give a gain of 1.25, which should give an output of 2.6 * 1.25 = 3.25.

The output of the BP requires a gain of 1.33 in cell1 in the simulation, and 1.5 on the breadboard, to be equal to the LP and HP outputs

That means a total gain of 1.25 * 1.33 = 1.66 (or 1.88 on the breadboard)

Thus, we need 100k / x = 1.66, x= 60k (or 53k for the breadboard).

For the direct output from cell 1, which is at 4V in the simulation, to get it to 3.1 requires a gain of 3.25/4 = 0.81, or a 125k input resistor. 

Now, wait a minute. Gain < 1 is generally not something we do, we usually do it by using a resistor divider. But let's not, let's rise the output level from 3.25 to 4 instead, meaning we only need unity gain for cell 1.

That gives us the input resistor for LP/HP as

gain = 4/2.6 = 1.54, R = 65k

and for BP

gain  = 1.33 * 1.54 = 2, R = 50k (and 1.5 * 1.54 = 2.3, r = 43.5)

Let's see what this does in the simulation:

Well, LP still looks good, at just a tad below 4V. Then, turning up overload to max fivces a slightly more distorted wave, but still cool, and with an amplitude of 5.1.

Now for another check, what happens with a 20Vpp signal. Does it distort?

It definitely does, but that's not because of the feedback, it's just how the circuit works.

We could get around this by using a 200k input resistor instead of a 100k, and then double the gain at the end of the circuit instead. We'll just have to try this to see how it affects both a 5V and 10V signal when doing distortion.

On breadboard

I tried sending a 5V signal through cell 2, and I get 3.23V on LP, 3.32V on HP and 2V on BP, meaning we need a gain around 1.6 for BP. 

To get all up to 5V at the output would require gains of

HP/LP: 5 / 3.23 = 1.54

BP: 5 / 2 = 2.5

and unity.

100k / 1.54 = 65k

100k / 2.5 = 40k

So a combination of 47k and 18k, and 22k and 18k is a good starting point.

Testing: 

LP: Near perfect 5V out

HP: Output is 5.2V, so a tiny bit too high

BP: Damn close to correct.

This means I will try the following for cell 2 in "production":

HP and LP: 47k +18k

BP: 22k + 18k

Direct: 82k + 18k

For cell 1 I will use 56k for everything, but BP is boosted by 1.5 using a 150k feedback and 100k input resistor

Next things to try on breadboard:

- overdrive

- no resistor pre-mux for cell 1

- swap cells to see if they behave similarly

- output vca.

- polaritites for output VCA and overdrive, see if we should modify cell circuit

See "Jupiter 6 filter - no VCA - 12V - JOVE trials -overdrive"

JP6 All-pass - inverting BP

In my simulations and breadboarding I added an inverting op amp for the input to get AP. But what if we instead inverted BP? It is already 180 degrees off compared to HP and LP. 

I simulated this, and it looks like it works well. Instead of going from -360 to 0 degrees it goes from -180 to 180, which is just to say that the output is inverted compared to the input - just like HP and LP.

As I'm already planning on having an invert button/switch on the SVF this doesn't matter :-D 

It also saves me one opamp.

As for the opamp gain, to keep the gain at 1.48 (or 1.5, it probably doesnt matter too much) we can go with 100k input and 150k feedback, or 68k/100k.

I will try this now.

JP6 All-pass tested

I've breadboarded and tested the AP-filter from my all-pass simulation, version AP-C: https://atosynth.blogspot.com/2023/04/jp6-filter-allpass.html

It only required minor tweaks.

During testing, my BP outputs +/-3.5V and the HP/LP outputs +/-5.2V. I assume that BP is affected the same way HP/LP is by the resonance feedback, so adjusting feedback so that HP/LP are normally +/-5V probably also affects BP amplitude.

Anyway, to get AP we need to mix 2x BP with the inverted input. But the BP needs to be unity gain.

If we assume that unity gain is +/-5V when properly adjusted, it is 5.2 when HP/LP is 5.2. That means that to bring it up from 3.5V to 5.2V we need a gain of 1.48. The simulated circuit has a gain of 1.33 when using a 100k/33k combination. Replacing the 100k with 68k gives us the gain of 1.48 that we want. 

Here is a video of turning the cutoff CV knob, see how the phase changes.

The resulting circuit is like this:

PS: We need to sum everything BEFORE it reaches the filter as we need input both for AP and normal input. But this affects the polarity of the input and probably also the feedback circuit.

PPS: I am not sure how we can use AP/Phasing. Do we need to be able to pan wet/dry to different channels? Should this be an option anyway for filter outputs?

Update: Here is an alternative circuit, the AP output phase is 180 degrees different from the one above but it saves one op amp that can be used to sum stuff before the filter

New measurements with JOVE CV generation and working Cell 1 and 2

NB: R_abc is 10k instead of the 18k found in the JOVE circuit.

Resonance

I think the resonance looks quite good

Here are some quick measurements of the resonance voltages using the JOVE resonance circuit. This seems to give approxmiately unity gain for HP/LP and self resonance (could perhaps be a bit better).

Output of trimmer 1: -2.83V

Output of trimmer 2: -10.83V

Reso CV: 0V

Output CV mixer: 2.9V

Base voltage: -52mV

Reso CV: 5V

Output CV mixer: 7.94V

Base voltage: -10mV

Cutoff

The cutoff range seems too limited, but with this, a 50Hz wave has an amplitude of approx 130mVpp. At max, the HP filter lets a 1.5kHz wave through with 180mVpp. An 8k wave has approx 5Vpp amplitude.

Cutoff trimmer 1: -8.4V

Cutoff CV 0:

Output CV mixer: 998mV

Base voltage: 100mV

Cutoff CV 5:

Output CV mixer: -1.25V

Base voltage: -100mV

Polarities

LP output, Cell 1: inverted

BP output, Cell 1: normal

HP output, Cell 1: inverted

Amplitudes 

HLP Max: +/-5.25V

BP Max: +/-3.5V

HP Max: +/-5.25V

High frequency oscillations

The high frequency oscillations seen previously are completely gone (though I have not tested with higher CV), perhaps they were caused by the erroneous 3p filter cap

JP6 filter oscillations and latch-up

I've had serious troubles with the JP6 filter since I started working on it again about a week ago.

- it latched up whenever the cutoff CV was > 1.5V

- it had severe high-frequency oscillations

Today, I finally got it working again (with the Jove CV generation circuits). Here are the three things I fixed:

- Cutoff and Resonance Iabc has to go to two cells, not only one (or they will be too large)

- I had messed up and used a 3pF instead of a 330pF cap

- And even after fixing that, I realised that the caps were probably not in contact with the connectors. I redid the wiring there and everything started working.

Back to the real testing!

JP6 vs Jove revisited

As part of getting my JP6 filter working, I thought it would be a good idea to revisit the Jove JP6 filter (https://system80.net/product/jove/, https://github.com/minisystem/JOVE) to compare it to what I'm doing. It is especially interesting to see how the control signals differ, and what their ranges are.

The conclusion is that everything is very similar and my control signals cover the Jove signal ranges - but it is worth mentioning that the cutoff maxes out at around 23kHz on the Jove.

Here are my findings in detail:

Resonance

My simulation doc says the following about calibrating resonance CV:

Tune U30 until you get -125uA Reso I_abc per OTA (or to freq response is OK)

Tune U31 until you get -25uA or -4uA Reso I_abc per OTA (for similar response to 5 or 10V CV on the JP6)

Comparing to the Jove reso circuit, this is exactly what you get from trimmer extreme, -120uA to -4.2uA, so a range of -120uA to 0uA is what we want to be able to trim from software

In the following, the three lines correspond to min, center and max trimmer settings:

Jove resonance - voltage seen at expo converter input

Jove resonance 0-10V - I_abc in single 18k resistor

Jove resonance 0-5V

Jove resonance 0-5V, center trim only

Jove resonance response, 0V but trim min center max

Jove CV response 0, 5 and 10V CV

My own JP6 filter resonance I_abc. It has the same range as the Jove one but is of course not exponential, as this happens in software instead.

My resonance CV circuit

The Jove resonance circuit

Cutoff

Untrimmed, Jove maxes out I_abc at -600uA with a CV of 7V approx.

This gives a cutoff of around 20-25kHz.

The lowest current is -15.6nA

My trimmed version gives 169nA to 1.06mA, max is at approx 6V CV which gives a cutoff at 25khZ, similar to the Jove.

Jove expo converter input vs input CV

Jove I_abc in single 18k resistor

Jove I_abc for center only, shows max I_abc at approx 7V

Jove cutoff with CV 7.5V (center trim)

My version, I_abc from 0-10V CV

My version cutoff at around 6V CV

Buffer

Jove uses a transistor (J112, N-channel FET) as a buffer, with a 33k to gnd. Replacing the opamp buffer in my circuit with a nmos in the simulation gave a slightly lower gain out. Changing the 33k to 22k or 47k didnt affect the amplitude. 

Input vs output of first cell using op amp buffer

Input vs output of first cell using nmos-buffer

N-channel Mosfet buffer, pretty similar to what the Jove uses

Single supply, rail to rail opamp behaviour

 

JP6 filter allpass

 Since breadboarding the first cell of the JP6 filter was successfull, it's time to revisit the allpass circuit. I sort of got this working in an earlier post: http://atosynth.blogspot.com/2019/01/jupiter-6-all-pass-filter.html, but had to remove resonance feedback it seems.

I tried the same circuit in LTSpice again, mixing Bandpass output with the input tapped after the input mixer. It gives a nice phase change but the response is -10dB for the "normal" case, up to 4dB at the cutoff frequency, not very usefull. 

I then realised that mixing with the input may refer to the original input, not what is seen after the mixer. However, the input at this point is inverted, so we don't get the phase reversal effect we're looking for

NB: Not original BP but unity gain one

This is easily fixed by inverting with unity gain. Now we're talking. We get a flat response with a -6dB notch and the phase reversal we're after

I started thinking that this could be the best option, but the notch made me uncertain. After a bit of googling, I once again found the multimode filter pages at electricdruid. There, the following is stated: 

"Phase shifters produce a notch in the frequency response by mixing this phase-shifted signal with the input, so technically they’re a type of notch filter." 

Ok, so a notch is to be expected. I then found the link to "Craig Anderton's Multiple Identity Filter" article. I thought for a moment this confirmed my -6dB notch as it says -6dB notch at the end, but I mixed up notch and allpass. It is worth a closer look though.

But then I realised, what if I make sure BP output is the same as HP/LP etc, though my non-inverting amplifier, just as I did with the BP output from cell 1?

That works great!

The closeup doesn't look that great until you look at the axis. The input is just very slightly attenuated (-170mdB). Looking at all combinations together shows that it is essentially flat:

Red line is unity BP + inverted input

Now, this is great news. Of course this is just a simulation, and as I have seen earlier, the actual result on the breadboard is different, but I think I have the best starting point at least - mix the inverted input with the unity gain BP and we get a good all pass version!

JP6 filter debugging, part 1

 Trying to breadboard a single cell of the JP6 filter. Here are my mods:

Errata:

R to -12V in cutoff CV input is 3.9R, should be 390k

op amp + and - are mixed up in cell input mixer

Modifications:

Skipping the part of reso generator that reverses CV, and leave out trimmers in reso circuit.

I inject resonance CV at reso gain 2 to bypass the inversion, and leave the reso bal unconnected. This makes reso CV go from 5 to 0 instead of 0 to 5. I use a 27k input resistor. (TODO: Why did I do that again? plot in simulation looks good at least. Probably what it was set to before removing the CV reversing and stuff in LTspice).

The cutoff CV mixer has an error (3.9R instead of 390k to gnd), so instead of using it i use the reso input mixer and a 330k to -12V on the input, still leaving balance floating. I then connect the output to a 20k trimmer, set at approx 6k (8k really, but in simulation it is 6k) and connect the output to cutoff track 2, bypassing the cutoff CV mixer.

Reso CV is set to 5V by using a resistor divider - 100k on top and 68k + 3k3 = 71k (should have been 71.4k).

Input to the cell: The input mixer is fucked up here too, I flipped it so + and - are mixed up. I use an external op amp instead, with a 33k feedback and a 100k input resistor. The output is fed to the in+ (pin 2) of the cell.

NB: SOMETHING IS MISSING HERE! pin 4 should be connected to pin 2. Anyway:

Now I can see that all three modes working - LP, BP and HP, though the input is weak and BP never really cuts off much. Next up is re-adding pin 4:

Aaaah, much better!

This time output at LP/BP/HP works. BP has a very soft cutoff slope but it DOES attenuate both above and below somewhat.

With 3.6k input with 5V max amplitude and cutoff CV at 0:

HP outputs 7.1V, BP around 750mV,  LP at -150mV

With 100Hz input, cutoff at 5V:

HP outputs -30mV, BP around 650mV and LP 7.6V

With 100Hz input and cutoff at 0V:

HP and LP are less, BP is at its max, which is 3.5V

Filter sweep, CV 0 to 5V, 1kHz input:

Reso is not tested but at least cutoff seems to work fine :)

HP and LP outputs max out at almost the same level (7.1 to 7.6V) while BP is half of that. In my simulations it looks more like HP and LP are 5V max while BP is around 3.5V.

The fact that BP has a lower amplitude is to be expected. Looking at a simulation, we can see that the bandpass peak (purple) is where the HP (red) and LP (green) meet, as it is really just a combination of the two filters.

If we want to avoid a loudness drop when using BP, we can amplify the output slightly. In this case I've added a non-inverting op amp with a gain of 1 + 33k/100k = 1.33. The result is the blue line above and below.

An added bonus is that we can use the same input resistor (56k and 100k here) to the second cell (we could do this without the gain as well, it only leaves the BP at the low level). We can also tap all filter types after the mux and move the resistors to the mux output.

Update: Tried using a 27k resonance CV input resistor and the 1.33 gain BP op amp, turned out very well. I think I can get away with a single 56k + 100k resistor now.

I also tried the notch circuit, which works as it should.

An interesting thought:

What if we just skip the varying resistors and just make up for it in the VCA/gain section? 

Next up: 

Figure out if we should have the mix resistors before the cell 1 output mux or after, what gives the least amount of noise

See why we tap direct output after mux but before 100k res, shouldn't tapping be before the output resistors? or do we need to buffer the signal between? (Note: The JP6 uses this layout, with one 56k from HP and one from LP, and adds this to the 100k input, effectively using 156k input to the summer of cell 2). 

Check output polarity from cell 1, including notch.